L.R.: Today it's for the first time when at the seminars of our principle esoteric group there being present a number of new students of the esoteric staff. I'd like to warn you that there is a rule with us not to low down the level of the discussion, not to explain the codes, familiar to the students of the principle group as well as not to dwell on the interpretation of the terms well known to the rest. You will study all this in the course of Life, all right?

        L.R.: Yesterday when together with Lubov we were proceeding with our work, it suddenly occurred to us that while moving up along the Manas zone we occasionally touched two other Manases: planetary and system Ones. These touches were caused by: 1) the necessity of new amounts of the initiative energies granted to us for our further progress from the higher levels, 2) the age difference of the members of our group organism caused by the different levels of the Solar Logos.

        An individual soul, as we have recently stated due to the proofs and in accordance with the Djwhal Khul's books - is an individual Manas. The planetary soul is the Third Ray in the Trinity - Brahma, Monad, Adi. The system soul is the Manas of the Solar Logos, which comprises four liberated Hierarchies: Pieces, Aires, Taurus and Gemini together with one half-liberated - Cancer.

        Now Lubov is going to report which latest revelations have induced us to discuss this problem and why.

        Lubov: It seems to me that in a number of the latest revelations there appeared the Entity of the Manas of the Solar Logos: It was the One Whom we call the "Mistress of the Brass Mountain". In my dream I saw Your Transfiguration as a result of the work finished by the end of our movement up along the Manas zone. Then - Your transpass together with the "Officer" onto the Atmic zone, where there was the complete darkness. And in the same very night - Your "impact" into the Wolf, when, at seeing the Wolf run towards You, as a She-wolf, You rushed to meet Him, realising that He was not just a mere "Wolf".

        L.R.: Why did I rush towards the "Wolf"? "Wolf" is the Kundalini of Buddhi, and I still was the Kundalini of Manas which had to be sacrificed. Buddhic zone is the most likely to start with kundalini, unlike Manas, that finishes with kundalini. And here we were witnesses of the "impact" of two kundalinis.

        And, Lubov, what can you say about the revelation on seven "firewomen" sacrificing themselves in the stony sauna house with the cold "cosmic" shower pouring from above? You remember they were non-earthly women dressed in red clothes?

        Lubov: The immolation of the "firewomen" looks like the immolation of the seven Solar Manases. Probably, it's too high a subject but it looks so...

        L.R.: You ought not to forget that I was one of them and right after our disappearance under the shower a Jewish woman (of Zina's appearance) said that she was going to join the Communist Party and began to ascend the staircase following a "Man". What would you say to all this? Is it possible that we can touch Atma of the Solar Logos?

        Lubov: Why not? We've seen better wonders! (students laugh) And more over, the transpass onto Buddhic plane is marked by the fact that it is Atma that Manas is sacrificed to, and what is to be carried away has been brought to the "Party".

        L.R.: All right, let's talk about Buddhi as It is. We all have been familiar with It since our childhood. Being young or mature, we begin our pair relations with the Sound of Buddhi. Usually we regard the Sound as genuine, and we demand this type of the Sound from our partners or from any situation that occurs. Nevertheless, we ourselves as well as our partners fail to hold the Sound constantly and quickly turn the whole of It over to the kundalini zone, as a result falling into despair and starting the anti-Khali military activities.

        But still all of us love the Sound of Buddhi very much and can catch It. And it's quite natural that some of you after a short period of work in our group have "came upon" the Buddhic Sound, recognized It and would say: "Yes, we've experienced It once!" But to experience It and to keep the oneness with It - is quite a different thing. All the previous work has been done for one particular purpose: that Buddhi will become a space not alien to you, not just where you drop in at random as a medium, but your own body or the space of your own life where you can stay long enough till the time comes when you feel that you become closely fused and blended with it. It makes us move slowly, persistently... and still don't you think we have been experiencing the states of Buddhi for rather a long period of time?

        Sasha-Gemini: All this year since your lecture in Belayevo. That was the time when the influence of Saturn increased and many of us had the vision of Mother Gemini.

        Lubov: You remember how you walked up the long corridor ready to go away when you were stopped by two children, the twins, who showed you a beetle of Scarabaeus (sign of Osiris) and you began to examine it, sitting in between the two children... that was Buddhic Mother.

        Sasha-Gemini: And the work on "Tovit" (from "Old Testament") with angel Raphael?

        L.R.: And dark Mother, Who accepted the death of Her two sons in the hot temple timidly, then went out into the night, stretched up Her left hand to Great Bear and got the donative for another initiation?

        Lubov: The First Ray of Buddhi - Great Bear - is very close to Atma. Atma arises at the very moment Manas is finished. Manas is sacrificed to Atma, half of Buddhic plane is built up - and that is - Mother Buddhi; and the movement upward Buddhi and Atma is continued.

        L.R.: During the last half a year our group studies have taken a new turn in the course of passing over from Son to Husband. This way or another we are passing from the Ashram of Master Koot Humi to the Ashram of Master Morya. Master Morya is evidently taking us under a more strict control.

        Lubov: And what about the work with Jews along their lines: 1) material plan-Manas-Atma (Third Ray) and 2) Manas-Atma-Adi (First Ray)?

        L.R.: I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that if both lines stick together, their intermediate components will become equal, with Adi and material plane remaining opposite... You just imagine how extraordinary large the ring of God's sacrament with Jews can rise!

        Sasha-Gemini: The divine plane of Adi (Leo) absorbs the physical plane (Aquarius - blind lives).

        L.R.: But in the centre of the ring - there is Atma again! Atma is actual! Let's agree about the terms: "to receive energies from Atmic plane", "to move up along Atma" and "to become Atma" - all these are different notions. "To be infused with energies" means to be given blessing, donative. "To move up along"... means adaptation to It. "To become Atma" means Transfiguration - total mastering of It. Presently we have been receiving energies that descend from Atma. We are placed in the "situations", we participate in the "events" but it's not yet we ourselves in the full meaning of the word. We are being touched. The donative is neither transfiguration nor another stage within us. It's given in advance...

        Sasha-Gemini: A few days of the exhibition were very important, to my mind. Sasha's painting displayed there presented the Manas of an individual soul, and his another painting presented the Manas of the system soul ("The Bright Way"). I explained to the audience who those couples on the picture were; the audience of the Aquarius Age attended politely. Considering the fact that I was sick for the whole week, the work on moving in the direction upward Manas had reached its final stage in the consciousness of the masses.

        Lubov: I'd like to mention one more thing that is important. During our conflicts with Sasha, and particularly at the moments when I was about to break off our relations, an elderly man (I saw him in the night ether), his clothes decorated with jewellery, got detached from us both. You've already told that it is the God bearer, like the Sun - the same Entity, and He, in a certain way, represents the womb for the Cosmic Christ. You remember the icon in the Novodevichey Nunnery? There you can see the Christ in the centre and He is supported: at one side - by the God bearer and at the other side - by Red Mother, first visualised in the town of Palanga in 1985 as the Entity of System Manas (She emerged in the image of a girl; we called Her Sunny girl).

        Sasha-Gemini: It happens so that System Manas (actualised through men's and women's advancement) gives birth to the Christ and keeps Him, and thus we are having full Manas, or - one half of Buddhi, composed of Pleiades, Sirius and Great Bear.

        Lubov: Djwhal Khul writes that the Cosmic Christ is standing with his head rested in the zodiac of Gemini and with His feet - one on the field of seven Fathers (Great Bear), and the other one on the field of seven Mothers (Pleiades).

        L.R.: Feet represent the lower zones of Buddhi (the movement goes upward direction from kundalini plane). They are rested on Pleiades and Great Bear, but while we continue moving upward the Buddhi organism, we reach the head in Gemini. That is how Mother of Gemini appears to us.

        Lubov: Why does the God bearer "die"? In Djwhal Khul's books we can read that Planetary Manas is derived from Pleiades (It has Its manifestation through Venus and Saturn). And System Manas - the soul of Solar Logos - has Sirius as Its origin, and so it's just here that Manases, originated from the Third and the Fourth Rays of Buddhi,- Planetary and Solar Manases - have sacrificed Themselves. Both sacrifices are likely to happen simultaneously.

        L.R.: I guess these speculations present some difficulty for the newcomers, though might be of some help to them: they learn how to become humble... I suggested that they should not fix on the discussion, nor try to crave for comprehension of it, but they disobeyed. Now you become a burden! You just bear in mind that when you are "thrown into the waters" on purpose to learn how to "swim", it's better that you pray for your brothers and sisters - and that's all... I hope next time you will follow my advice. We have to say "Good-bye" to you and we continue our discussion...